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21/11/2011 18:17:32 * _Stormy was consumed by the Chatbeast (NOM!)_
21/11/2011 18:17:34 ‹JC Hay› In seriousness, James is great to work with, patient and sure about the story, He's easy to work with because you feel that even when he has a critique it's to improve the flow of the story overall.
21/11/2011 18:17:41 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› James edits with a light hand, but with great insight into character motivation. I think his most helpful comments both brought the concept more into line with Golarion AND improved structure.
21/11/2011 18:17:48 ‹Rathendar› yeah justin, he's obiously working on something else. so ask him what's Nex?
21/11/2011 18:17:52 * weirmonken joins PFTales
21/11/2011 18:18:13 ‹Justin Sluder› Rathendar: hush, that famous people are talking.
21/11/2011 18:18:17 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› ...so, not intrusive, but quite helpful in making a more enjoyable product.
21/11/2011 18:18:22 ‹Justin Sluder› the, not that....
21/11/2011 18:18:32 ‹Richard Lee Byers› Dave, I think a hands on editor is one gives a coherent, useful explanation of what changes he wants. An editor who simply refuses work outright without a useful explanation is a nightmare.
21/11/2011 18:18:33 ‹Erik Mona› The most valuable thing James gave me, other than a shot to write one of these, was a deadline and a sense of looming urgency and dread. Without that, I probably would have just kept tinkering with the opening scene again and again and again until the heat death of the Sun.
21/11/2011 18:18:47 * tombxoom joins PFTales
21/11/2011 18:18:53 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› How far along are you, Erik?
21/11/2011 18:19:03 ‹Wes Schneider› I asked James to give me his red lines and let me make all of his changes myself. I think he pulled his punches, but it was still very, very insightful and left me with a much better idea of where some of my blind spots are.
21/11/2011 18:19:05 ‹James Sutter› As a writer, I would ALWAYS prefer a hands-on editor to one who rejects the work. Because the former gives you money and puts your work in front of people, and the latter doesn't. The world is full of nameless but artistically pure authors.
21/11/2011 18:19:12 ‹Bill Ward› As others have said, James is a pleasure to work with -- I feel like he has my back, and he's not going to let me screw up the setting either!
21/11/2011 18:19:44 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› Well said, Bill. Even when he raises an issue, you know something better will result.
21/11/2011 18:19:59 ‹Erik Mona› I am 19 chapters into my outline. Out of about 23, I think.
21/11/2011 18:20:01 ‹Dave Gross› EVERYONE: Feel free to ask any questions you like. No need to wait or go through me.
21/11/2011 18:20:16 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› I've worked with a few editors where you actually cringe a bit when you get a suggestion... that hasn't happened at all with James. I look forward to his comments.
21/11/2011 18:20:37 ‹ElaineCunningham› James, I think he meant editors who send back contracted work to be rewritten, not editors who reject submissions. There was an editor at TSR back in the Jurassic era who was infamous for making passages with "NB" for "needs better."
21/11/2011 18:20:42 ‹Justin Sluder› Dave Gross: I wouldn't dare go through you Dave, that'd just be....gross....
21/11/2011 18:20:43 ‹Justin Sluder›
21/11/2011 18:20:53 ‹Erik Mona› James told me he liked my story, and I don't think he was bullshitting me just because I am his boss.
21/11/2011 18:20:55 ‹Erik Mona› I don't think.
21/11/2011 18:20:58 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› Elaine -- ouch.
21/11/2011 18:21:01 ‹ElaineCunningham› No direction, no discussion, just NB.
21/11/2011 18:21:02 ‹Dave Gross› ElaineCunningham: I know that guy!
21/11/2011 18:21:04 ‹Bill Ward› Howard Andrew Jones: and there are always those editors that feel they have to change something merely to justify their existence
21/11/2011 18:21:06 * Justin Sluder is an expert at bad jokes
21/11/2011 18:21:13 ‹xellos› All authors: How do you motivate yourself to keep writing/write when inspiration just ain't happening?
21/11/2011 18:21:13 * Eelario joins PFTales
21/11/2011 18:21:20 ‹JC Hay› Elaine: Ooof. I'm glad I missed that particular editor. That kind of comment would drive me nuts.
21/11/2011 18:21:26 ‹xellos› Also, will Ostog ever die?
21/11/2011 18:21:37 ‹Kevin Andrew Murphy› I tend to read a lot of old books and consequently my style tends to be rather ornate. With "The Secret of the Rose and Glove," I pretty much pulled out the stops and decided to put the "ro" in "rococo." James trimmed down a good bit, but for the sequel, had me find a way to back it off a notch but still keep the period style.
21/11/2011 18:21:44 ‹James Sutter› Fortunately, I didn't have to bullshit Erik.
21/11/2011 18:21:45 ‹ElaineCunningham› I never had that particular editor, myself. Stories do circulate, though.
21/11/2011 18:21:53 ‹Erik Mona› Xellos: I generally stay up really late until at some point the creative process almost becomes subconscious, and it just flows out of me.
21/11/2011 18:22:04 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› Xellos: well, you need to learn to know when you're just being lazy and need to shake yourself forward, and when your instincts are telling you there's something wrong with the scene.
21/11/2011 18:22:11 ‹Kevin Andrew Murphy› I'm hoping it's okay to mention "sequel" now.
21/11/2011 18:22:15 ‹ElaineCunningham› I hope not! Ostog the Unslai is one of the great fantasy names of all time.
21/11/2011 18:22:21 ‹Richard Lee Byers› I put myself on a schedule and then stick to it. Whether I feel inspired or not, I'm in the chair in front of the computer when I'm supposed to be. Usually, I'll write something eventually.
21/11/2011 18:22:27 ‹Erik Mona› Xellos: I hope Ostog never dies, but it is only partially up to me.
21/11/2011 18:22:31 ‹Erik Mona› Thanks, Elaine!
21/11/2011 18:22:41 ‹JC Hay› Xellos: I have been known to freewrite until my monkey brain gets tired and gets out of the way.
21/11/2011 18:22:53 ‹James Sutter› Anecdote: My very first editing test at Paizo was when Erik sat me down and said "So you want to edit? Here, edit this." It was a draft of "The Whispering Cairn" from Age of Worms. I said "Who wrote it?" and he looked me in the eye and said "I did."
21/11/2011 18:22:56 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› Xellos: If you just push forward, sometimes you end up with 2000 k of crap.
21/11/2011 18:23:00 * Fiona joins PFTales
21/11/2011 18:23:00 ‹Justin Sluder› All Authors: Would you agree the best thing for an aspiring writer to do to improve is to read, and write?
21/11/2011 18:23:02 ‹Sir Wulf› "Ostog the Only Occassionally Slain" doesn't have the same ring to it.,
21/11/2011 18:23:09 ‹Erik Mona› LOL
21/11/2011 18:23:09 ‹GameMaster's Kip› ALL AUTHORS: Which of the Inner Sea's many nations is best? Feel free to argue amongst yourselves, because that would be really awesome.
21/11/2011 18:23:16 ‹Erik Mona› That was a pretty good module, in fairness.
21/11/2011 18:23:19 ‹Ogre› So I'm not the only one who finds it easier to write at stupid thirty
21/11/2011 18:23:20 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› Erik: You did that? That's both awesome, and horrible.
21/11/2011 18:23:22 ‹Erik Mona› One of my better ones, I think.
21/11/2011 18:23:28 ‹Bill Ward› xellos: i turn off the taps of stimulation -- no books, movies, etc. the brain, robbed of its entertainment, starts producing in no time!
21/11/2011 18:23:41 ‹James Sutter› And you know what? I edited it. And he still hired me. Pulling your punches is for chumps--real authors want to know when they're messing up.
21/11/2011 18:23:53 ‹Lilith› James Sutter: Indeed
21/11/2011 18:24:00 ‹JC Hay› Justin: Writer, and read, and more than that, take apart what you read. You learn a lot from looking at how others construct the same story.
21/11/2011 18:24:04 ‹James Sutter› Though I still had plenty of learning to do.
21/11/2011 18:24:09 ‹Justin Sluder› Erik Mona: you should write a Nex Sourcebook with Ostog as the narrator!
21/11/2011 18:24:09 ‹Erik Mona› It was really late and needed more emergency editing passes. If I could get a free one off this new intern guy, so much the better. Plus, I wanted to see if he had the fortitude to suggest changes, which is a good test of character. James passed, obviously.
21/11/2011 18:24:10 ‹Dave Gross› GameMaster's Kip: Obviously, the answer is Imperial Cheliax.