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21/11/2011 18:40:24 * Matthew Morris joins PFTales
21/11/2011 18:40:26 ‹Richard Lee Byers› Dave, I try to distinguish between what's integral to the mythology of the setting itself and what's simply the game rules needed to translate that vision into something we game through with numbers and dice. I try hard to get the former right and have a relaxed attitude toward the latter.
21/11/2011 18:40:26 ‹Howard Andrew Jones› With spells, I try to find some that fit what I need to do, although there will be less of that in the second novel, which is much lighter on magic. As to feats -- I just have my characters do cool stuff and don't worry so much about all the feats, although I did draw up a list of what I thought Elyana was capable of.
21/11/2011 18:40:32 ‹Erik Mona› I dunno. I remember liking some D&D books others criticize as "you can hear the dice rolling." A part of me feels like "this is a game book, don't try to make it something it isn't." I'm not convinced that "good book" and "good game tie-in" are mutually exclusive, though I admit a lot of people in the marketplace are, and a lot of authors seem very conflicted about it.
21/11/2011 18:40:34 ‹ElaineCunningham› ::nods:: An upcoming novel includes a theme I was considering pitching.
21/11/2011 18:40:36 ‹Russ› Oh no, is Planet Stories done? I see an "I'm sorry" up above
21/11/2011 18:40:52 ‹Wes Schneider› Fiona: Nobody has the money for THAT MUCH plastic surgery. 0_0
21/11/2011 18:40:57 ‹Enlight_bystand› James, Erik: Is there a reason why the OGL isn't used in the novels, meaning that you can't call a Teifling a Teifling, or an Inevitable an Inevitable?
21/11/2011 18:40:59 ‹ElaineCunningham› No, not that one, Dave. Mwangi expanse, crashed city.
21/11/2011 18:41:05 ‹Erik Mona› James Jacobs makes a very disturbing Seoni, I should mention.
21/11/2011 18:41:06 ‹JC Hay› It's a fine line for me - I try not to 'stat out' my characters before I write the story, so I don't limit my ideas of them. But I also try to keep spells close to the descriptions, so a player doesn't feel like it's somethingunfamiliar.
21/11/2011 18:41:11 ‹xellos› Russ: No, Erik Mona has tricks.
21/11/2011 18:41:18 ‹Kevin Andrew Murphy› I tend to look at the portions of the game mechanics--poetic names, recognizable effects, etc.--and parse them through the protagonist's worldview and the period. Ergo, the "everburning torches" became "ensorceled flambeau." Same thing, but sounds a lot more Galtan and less gamey.
21/11/2011 18:41:28 ‹Wes Schneider› Erik Mona: Stop. It.
21/11/2011 18:41:35 ‹Fiona› Wes Schneider: that's what you would like for us to believe
21/11/2011 18:41:37 ‹Thursty› I was very happy to see some of Dave Gross's work translated into Inner Sea magic.
21/11/2011 18:41:47 ‹James Sutter› Hey, here's a question for the readers: How would you feel about novels set in the less "European fantasy" settings of Golarion? We already did Tian Xia, but what about Osirion? The Mwangi Expanse? Qadira? Do you enjoy that just as much, or are those nations a spice best used sparingly?
21/11/2011 18:42:01 ‹Erik Mona› Russ> No, not done.
21/11/2011 18:42:13 ‹Justin Sluder› James Sutter: Yes please!
21/11/2011 18:42:15 ‹Rathendar› i'm fine with those sutter
21/11/2011 18:42:20 ‹Russ› Thursty: I had some fun stuff from Winter Witch that didn't quite make the cut in Inner Sea Magic as well, alas!
21/11/2011 18:42:26 ‹Matthew Morris› I'm all for those.
21/11/2011 18:42:29 ‹James Sutter› I realize people may be reluctant to seem ethnocentric, but traditionally, settings that stray too far from that baseline Tolkien/medieval Europe norm have issues with sales.
21/11/2011 18:42:32 ‹xellos› James Sutter: If it's a good story, I don't really care about the location.
21/11/2011 18:42:33 ‹ElaineCunningham› Good question. I find that people often SAY they want variety, but they READ nordic/celtic settings.
21/11/2011 18:42:35 ‹Justin Sluder› James Sutter: get Erik to write a Nex book!
21/11/2011 18:42:39 ‹James Sutter› It's a line we're very aware of.
21/11/2011 18:42:42 ‹Erik Mona› Enlight> Basically, I just didn't want to use it. I wanted the fiction to focus more on the aspects of the Pathfinder world Pathfinder, rather than the aspects that make it a descendant of D&D.
21/11/2011 18:42:43 ‹weirmonken› James Sutter: Bring it on.
21/11/2011 18:42:43 ‹GameMaster's Kip› My group is running Souls for Smuggler's Shiv right now (with plans to go on throughout the rest of the Serpent's Skull path). Given that, I'd probably pick up more books along those lines.
21/11/2011 18:42:44 ‹Bill Ward› Dave Gross: That's tricky. I think i like to focus on an unexpected or startling aspect to kind of lock the thing into the moment -- like spider climb could be pretty ho-hum, but turning around and catching a glimpse of someone gobbling a spider before they cast it is a solid narrative detail that means the reader can't take it for granted
21/11/2011 18:42:51 ‹Dave Gross› James Sutter: You probably know by now that those are the locations that call to me the most. However, looking back at another big game-related shared-world setting, I recall that the most popular books were always set in the most European (or D&D-ish, as in Underdark) locations.
21/11/2011 18:43:04 ‹Erik Mona› Also, the OGL explicitly covers game rules, so it's not perfectly clear how to use it within the context of fiction.
21/11/2011 18:43:04 ‹Matthew Morris› It also helps new players with flavor. "I want to play a Mwangi thing!" "Ok pasty white boy from Ohio, read this for ideas."
21/11/2011 18:43:08 ‹Erik Mona› So I decided not to.
21/11/2011 18:43:08 ‹Russ› Has Master of Devils having a more exotic locale cut into its sales relative to other titles? I'd hope it's doing great
21/11/2011 18:43:14 ‹NSpicer› James Sutter: You should definitely use the novel line to flesh out the rest of the world...including Osirion, etc.
21/11/2011 18:43:19 ‹GameMaster's Kip› BUT. If I weren't, then I have to admit that my interests would tend to lie more around Andoran, Cheliax, the Linnorm Kings...the more traditional/european stuff. =/ I'm a square.
21/11/2011 18:43:38 ‹Enlight_bystand› Erik- ok, thanks!
21/11/2011 18:43:49 * Justin Sluder needs to finish Plague of Shadows soon....
21/11/2011 18:44:04 ‹Erik Mona› Not noticeably. Master of Devils is doing great.
21/11/2011 18:44:12 ‹Kevin Andrew Murphy› I'd love to do something set on Jalmeray. The whole "Isle of Serendib" feel is too fun not to want to explore. Would love to read it too.
21/11/2011 18:44:17 ‹ElaineCunningham› It's a terrific book.
21/11/2011 18:44:18 ‹Gulo› James Sutter: I would LOVE to read some Osirion fantasy. Mwangi Expanse would be excellent too.
21/11/2011 18:44:21 ‹xellos› Erik Mona: Cool.
21/11/2011 18:44:29 ‹Erik Mona› I just saw it in Barnes & Noble the other day, which is nice. Now I just need to figure out how to get them to restock the older titles more regularly, and we
21/11/2011 18:44:31 ‹ElaineCunningham› Master of Devils, I mean.
21/11/2011 18:44:31 ‹Dave Gross› Erik Mona: That's a pleasant surprise. I was about to say I didn't expect MoD to do nearly as well for that very reason.
21/11/2011 18:44:34 ‹Erik Mona› we'll be golden.
21/11/2011 18:44:37 ‹Matthew Morris› If MoD is doing well, maybe that's a way to do 'other lands' fiction. Take established charancters and send 'em there.
21/11/2011 18:45:04 ‹Erik Mona› I think that helps.
21/11/2011 18:45:12 ‹Thursty› Dave Gross: It's that first person view man... I'm giving you a 1 star review right now
21/11/2011 18:45:13 ‹Russ› Gulo: for a taste of what Osirion themes might taste like, I'd recommend Planet Stories' Setne Inhotep books. They start with The Anubis Murders.
21/11/2011 18:45:29 ‹xellos› All authors: What do you think of the first person/present tense complaints? I confess I found them surprising, but obviously some people have very strong feelings there.
21/11/2011 18:45:30 ‹Gulo› Thanks Russ!
21/11/2011 18:45:34 ‹Erik Mona› If the characters are "fish out of water" that need the local scene explained to them, I think that makes it a bit easier on the reader when dealing with an "exotic" setting.
21/11/2011 18:45:37 ‹Dave Gross› Russ: My hope was that having a couple of Chelaxian protagonists would ease some folks into the Tian Xia setting who might otherwise avoid it. Of course, doing so opened me to a couple of accusations of colonialism. You can't ever win in some cases.