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Organization: MIT LCS guest machine Iain writes: > I don't suppose some kind soul could post references for where new scribal > types interested in authenticity more than Books of Hours pages can find > examples of period "Award of Arms"-type 'scrolls'? Try the following: 1. Telnet (or otherwise network) into the on-line catalog of a major research library (Harvard is probably closest for Iain). 2. Conduct a subject search on the following categories: a. Palaeography (or Paleography); b. Charters; c. Diplomatics. 3. Enjoy. There are some standard works on diplomatics (the study of the formats, formulae and production of legal documents); you will want to look at these, trust me, unless you want to try to reinvent the wheel while puzzling out what the texts of facsimiles of documents mean: H. Bresslau, _Handbuch der Urkundenlehre fuer Deutschland und Italien_ (Leipzig, 1912, 1931). 2 vols. M. Giry, _Manuel de diplomatique_ (Paris, 1925). 2 vols. A. De Bouard, _Manuel de diplomatique francaise et pontificale_ (Paris, 1929, 1948). 2 vols. H.A. Hall, _A Formula Book of English Official Historical Documents_ (Cambridge, 1908, 1909). 2 vols. For the early medieval period, A. Bruckner and R. Marichal's _Chartae Latinae Antiquiores_ series [Olten-Lausanne, 1954-67; Zurich, 1975-], 13 vols., is invaluable, as is E.A. Lowe's _Codices Latini Antiquiores_ series (Oxford, 1934-72), 12 vols. These are facsimiles of every extant latin charter (Bruckner and Marichal) and latin codex (Lowe) prior to AD 800, and Lowe's introduction to vol. 2 (which covers Great Britain and Ireland) is the best thing ever written on early English and Irish palaeography. The _Manuscrits dates_ series, edited by members of the Comite international de paleographie, claims to provide facsimiles of every extant latin document, codex or fragment, from AD 800-1600 in collections in Austria, Belgium, France, Great Britain, Holland, Italy, Sweden, and Switzerland. The coverage isn't as broad as is claimed (the majority of documents from AD 800-1600 have never been cataloged, much less published), but at 20+ volumes it isn't shabby. For a bibliography of much of the literature on palaeography and related fields, see Fr. Leonard Boyle's _Medieval Latin Palaeography: A Bibliographic Introduction_ (Toronto, 1984) and the bibliography in Bernard Bischoff's _Latin Palaeography_ (Cambridge, 1990), although both of these bibliographies are stronger on book hands than secretarial/ notarial hands. > -Iain, possessed of 'Satiable Curiousity despite his being spread too thin > already... You're spread too thin? I just did the Sutton Hoo Biblio for you, and now you want palaeography/diplomatics ?!? :-) Some people are never satisfied :-). Maybe in a few months when I have a spare moment... And don't call me a "kind soul" -- everyone on this net knows I'm a curmudgeonly old bastard. Hossein/Greg From: greg at bronze.lcs.mit.edu (Greg Rose) Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Scrolls and Medieval Exemplars Date: 6 Jul 1993 21:26:44 -0400 Organization: MIT LCS guest machine Unto the good gentles of the Rialto does Hossein Ali Qomi send greetings and prayers for the blessings of Allah. I suppose that one way to boost my productivity is to really piss me off. My irritation at the discussion of SCA scrolls and medieval exemplars has been rising and it has reached the point where I'm in "put up or shut up" mode. Since I've made it clear how dissatisfied I am with the non-medieval, non-diplomatic paradigms around which SCA documents are created, I suppose that it is incumbent on me to suggest other paradigms and point interested parties in their direction. The following is a brief bibliography of works on medieval English, Irish, Welsh, and Scottish diplomata (charters and other official documents in either Latin or English),including diplomatics, palaeographic studies, manuals of palaeography and facsimile editions. In the section on diplomatics a few works pertaining to non-English documents are cited, because of the influence of continental models on the development of English diplomata. This is in no fashion an exhaustive bibliography; it is simply the product of an afternoon's thought, the sort of thing I'd give, for example, to one of my students who expressed an interest in doing some aspect of the palaeography and diplomatics of medieval English diplomata as a senior thesis or preparing for Master's quals. It also doesn't cite the quite extensive journal literature. I shall try in a few weeks (perhaps as late as after Pennsic) to post a similar bibliography for medieval continental diplomata. Please, as with the Sutton Hoo Bibliography, do not reprint or circulate this bibliography without prior permission from the author (permission can be obtained by email from greg at bronze.lcs.mit.edu). Hossein/Greg ************************************************************************ A SELECT BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WORKS ON ENGLISH, IRISH, WELSH, AND SCOTTISH DIPLOMATA By Gregory F. Rose c1993, all rights reserved ************************************************************************ DIPLOMATICS, PALAEOGRAPHIC STUDIES, AND MANUALS OF PALAEOGRAPHY T.A.M. Bishop. _English Caroline Miniscule_. Oxford, 1971. A. De Bouard. _Manuel de diplomatique francaise et pontificale_. 2 vols. 4 pts. Paris, 1925-52. H. Bresslau. _Handbuch der Urkundenlehre fuer Deutschland und Italien_. 2 vols. 2nd ed. Leipzig, 1931. P. Chaplais. _English Medieval Diplomatic Practice_. 2 vols. London, 1975. [AD 1197-1474] N. Denholm-Young. _Handwriting in England and Wales_. Cardiff, 1954. A. Giry. _Manuel de diplomatique_. Paris, 1893 (reprinted, 1925). H.A. Hall. _A Formula Book of English Official Historical Documents_. 2 vols. Cambridge, 1908-09. L.C. Hector. _The Handwriting of English Documents_. London, 1966. C Johnson and H. Jenkinson. _English Court Hand, AD 1066 to 1500_. 2 vols. Oxford, 1915 (reprinted, NY, 1967). W. Keller. _Angelsaechsische Palaeographie_. 2 vols. Berlin/Leipzig, 1906; reprinted, NY, 1970-71. S. Keynes. _The Diplomas of Aethelred 'The Unready' (978-1016): A Study in Their Use as Historical Evidence_. Cambridge, 1980. W.M. Lindsay. _Early Welsh Script_. Oxford, 1912. E.A. Lowe. _English Uncial_. Oxford, 1960. K.C. Newton. _Medieval Local Records: A Reading Aid_. London, 1971. M. Prou. _Manuel de paleographie latine et francaise du VIe au XVIIe siecle_. 4th ed. Paris, 1924. A. Rycraft. _English Medieval Handwriting_. New York, 1973. [AD 1337-1491] G.G. Simpson. _Scottish Handwriting, 1150-1650: An Introduction to the Reading of Documents_. Ediburgh, 1973. G. Tessier. _Diplomatique royale francaise_. Paris, 1962. GENERAL FACSIMILE COLLECTIONS L.R. Dean. _An Index to Facsimiles in the Palaeography Society Publications_. Princeton, 1914. [index to the Bond and Thompson, 1873-94, and the Thompson, et al., 1903-30 vols. below] E.A. Bond and E.M. Thompson, eds. _Facsimiles of Manuscripts and Inscriptions_. 2 series. 4 vols. London, 1873-94, with indices, 1901. [600 BC to AD 1500] N.R. Ker. _Catalogue of Manuscripts Containing Anglo-Saxon_. Oxford, 1957. E.M. Thompson, et al., eds. _Facsimiles of Ancient Manuscripts_. 2 series. 4 vols. London, 1903-30. [400 BC to AD 1535] A.G. Watson, ed. _Catalogue of Dated and Datable Manuscripts c. 700- 1600 in the Department of Manuscripts, the British Library_. 2 pts. London, 1979. ANGLO-SAXON AND ANGLO-INSULAR FACSIMILES T.A.M. Bishop and P. Chaplais. _Facsimiles of English Royal Writs to AD 1100_. Oxford, 1957. E.A. Bond, ed. _Facsimiles of Ancient Charters in the British Museum_. 4 vols. London, 1873-78. [AD 624-1023] A. Bruckner and R. Marichal, eds. _Chartae Latinae Antiquiores_. Olten/Lausanne, 1954-67. Vols. III (British Museum London) and IV (Great Britain Without British Museum). [pre-AD 900] J.T. Gilbert, ed. _Facsimiles of National Manuscripts of Ireland_. Vol. I (AD 600-1150). Dublin, 1874. S. Keynes, ed. _Facsimiles of Anglo-Saxon Charters_. Oxford, 1991. E.A. Lowe, ed. _Codices Latini Antiquiores_. Oxford, 1934-72. Vol. II (Great Britain and Ireland, 2nd ed., 1972). [pre-AD 900] W.B. Sanders, ed. _Facsimiles of Anglo-Saxon Manuscripts_. 3 vols. Southampton, 1867-72. ANGLO-NORMAN, ANGEVIN AND POITEVIN FACSIMILES P. Chaplais. _English Royal Documents: King John - Henry IV, 1199- 1461_. Oxford, 1971. L. Delisle. _Recueil des actes de Henri II roi d'Angleterre et duc de Normanndie concernant les provinces francaises et les affaires de France: Atlas_. Paris, 1909. J.T. Gilbert, ed. _Facsimiles of National Manuscripts of Ireland_. Vols. II (AD 1150-1300) and III (AD 1300-1550). London, 1878- 1879. H.E.P. Grieve. _Examples of English Handwriting, 1150-1750_. Chelmsford, 1959. R.B. Patterson. _Earldom of Gloucester Charters: The Charters and Scribes of the Earls and Countesses of Gloucester to AD 1217_. Oxford, 1973. H.E. Salter. _Facsimiles of Early Charters in the Oxford Muniment Rooms_. Oxford, 1929. [AD 1097-1251] W.B. Sanders, ed. _Facsimiles of National Manuscripts from William the Conqueror to Queen Anne_. 4 vols. Southampton, 1865-68. G.F. Warner and H.J. Ellis. _Facsimiles of Royal and Other Charters in the British Museum: William I - Richard I_. London, 1903. [AD 1070-1198] TUDOR G.E. Dawson and L. Kennedy-Skipton. _Elizabethan Handwriting, 1500- 1650_. London/New York, 1966. A.J. Fairbank and B. Dickens. _The Italic Hand in Tudor Cambridge_. London, 1962. J.T. Gilbert, ed. _Facsimiles of National Manuscripts of Ireland_. Vol. IV.1 (AD 1550-1600). London, 1882. H. Jenkinson. _The Later Court ahnds in ENglish from the 15th to the 17th Century_. 2 vols. Cambridge, 1927 (reprinted, New York, 1969). C.B. Judge. _Specimens of Sixteenth-Century English Handwriting_. Cambridge, Mass., 1935. A. Rycraft. _Sixteenth and Seventeenth Century Handwriting_. 2 series. York, 1972. J.I. Whalley. _English Handwriting, 1540-1853: An Illustrated Survey_. London, 1969. Newsgroups: rec.org.sca From: cctimar at athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Charles the clerk) Subject: Re: Surprise! Surprise! Organization: Shire of Glaedenfeld Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 13:30:16 GMT To all upon the Rialto doth Charles the clerk send his greetings! I wrote: > If one is not accepting the award, it > should be sufficient to strike out the name, leaving the rest of the > illumination to return to the scribe. The Crown may also wish to cut > off the part with the royal seals. I just checked Hector's book on English documents, and he does mention this as a possible way to delete a passage of a document. It seems that striking out one passage was not considered to void the document however. He lists two methods for doing this. When it is part of a longer scroll, or a bound book, completely cover the whole document with a lattice of crossed diagonal lines, and write "VACAT" in the margin. This makes the document useless to the scribe, however. A more useful idea is to fold the page in half and make a series of cuts at a 45 degree angle into the fold. When the page is unfolded again, it will be marked with a row of herring-bone cuts across the middle, which was evidently recognized as voiding the document. The royal seals also were cut off. This approach seems to be perfect for the purpose, although the victim of the award may still want their name struck out first. It not only accomplishes the desired task - voiding the award, while leaving most of the calligraphy and illumination intact to return to the scribe or illuminator - but it is a medieval method for accomplishing this that is no longer used today (so it has a "medieval feel" to it). -- -- Charles, student, in Glaedenfeld, Meridies From: willektk at ucbeh.san.uc.edu Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Subject: Re: Surprise! Surprise! Date: 9 Jul 93 04:24:11 EDT Organization: Univ of Cincinnati Academic IT Services > Tadhg, quoting Lothar: >> L> The king TORE UP the scroll!!!! Shame on him. He should have TW> >> L> quietly put it aside and given it back to the scribe/calligrapher that >> L> made it. God knows they keep little enough of their own work. >> *sigh* A "scroll" granting an award, once it has been validated (signed or >> sealed or whatever An Tir uses) is a LEGAL DOCUMENT within the SCA; in >> order for its effect to be nullified, it must be invalidated. He could >> have written "VOID" across it and signed it, but I suspect that a scribe >> would not have been happy with that, either. > > How 'bout peeling off the royal and herald's seals? That oughta do it > without seriously compromising the aesthetic aspects of the document. > (Yes, I know some kingdoms use a rubber-stamp instead of a wax seal. > All I can say to that is, they oughtn't.) Well, I have seen period examples of nullified documents and that was done in a simple way, cut off the seals (seals were ussually hung from the bottom of the scroll, not stamped on as we do so) and then the document itself slashed with a knife a few times.... Very simple and effective because all signs of legalness |